Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

05/16/2007 09:00 AM House FINANCE


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09:26:18 AM Start
09:26:44 AM SB128
12:10:11 PM Adjourn
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+ SB 128 ALCOHOL LOCAL OPTION PROVISIONS TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 128(FIN) Out of Committee
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CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 128(FIN)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   relating  to  the  sale,   distribution,  and                                                                   
     purchase  of alcoholic  beverages; relating  to a  state                                                                   
     database for  records of certain purchases  of alcoholic                                                                   
     beverages;  relating to the  relocation of a  license to                                                                   
     sell  alcoholic beverages;  relating  to procedures  for                                                                   
     local   option  elections   for  control  of   alcoholic                                                                   
     beverages; and providing for an effective date."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
GINNY AUSTERMAN, STAFF, SENATOR DONNY OLSON, explained that                                                                     
SB 128 was drafted at the urging of the Alaska Rural Justice                                                                    
and Law Enforcement Commission.  She continued:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     This legislation  is an integral  part of the  effort to                                                                   
     regulate the  sale, distribution, purchase  and shipment                                                                   
     of   alcoholic   beverages   into  damp   local   option                                                                   
     communities  within the  State of  Alaska.   It puts  in                                                                   
     place a  requirement for the Alcoholic  Beverage Control                                                                   
     Board to  create and maintain  a database  that contains                                                                   
     up  to date information  related  to written orders  for                                                                   
     alcohol  shipped  to  the  writer  of the  order.    The                                                                   
     package store  licensee must consult the  database prior                                                                   
     to filling each order.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Currently,  AS  04.11.150(g)  regulates the  amounts  of                                                                   
     alcoholic beverages to residents  of Local Option Areas,                                                                   
     SB 128 requires that the  package store licensee, agent,                                                                   
     or  employee  access  the   database  to  determine  the                                                                   
     amounts  of alcoholic  beverages already  ordered  by an                                                                   
     individual.   It also requires that the  date and amount                                                                   
     of the new  order be immediately added  to the database.                                                                   
     This database will adversely  impact the importation and                                                                   
     sale   of  alcoholic   beverages   into  rural   Alaskan                                                                   
     communities  by  bootleggers.   The  information in  the                                                                   
     database will  be accessible only to package  stores and                                                                   
     law  enforcement  none  of   the  information  would  be                                                                   
     available to the public.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Senate Bill  128 also contains  a provision  relative to                                                                   
     the  transfer of  liquor licenses  between an  organized                                                                   
     borough   and  communities  in   that  borough.     Many                                                                   
     communities across  the state have used  their allotment                                                                   
     of  liquor licenses,  while  their borough  has not,  or                                                                   
     vice  versa.   Alcoholic  beverage licenses  may now  be                                                                   
     transferred  within  a  borough  upon  approval  of  the                                                                   
     governing   bodies   of  both   the   borough  and   the                                                                   
     incorporated city.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:28:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Austerman explained:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  1 and 2  speak to the  requirement of  the ABC                                                                   
     Board to  create and maintain  a database to  keep track                                                                   
     of written  orders for alcohol from persons  residing in                                                                   
     damp local  option communities;  clearly states  to whom                                                                   
     information   in  the   database   is  available;   they                                                                   
     describe, in  detail the steps for licensee's  to record                                                                   
     and  review  information   in  the  database;  and  make                                                                   
     failure  to  comply  with  the requirements  a  class  B                                                                   
     misdemeanor.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3 limits the shipping  of alcohol in response to                                                                   
     a written  order to the  address of the  person ordering                                                                   
     the alcohol  unless that person  lives in an  area where                                                                   
     there is a community delivery site.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  4 &  5 allow  for the  relocation of  existing                                                                   
     liquor licenses  within a  borough.  Such  relocation of                                                                   
     licenses  is limited  to  not more  than  three in  each                                                                   
     decade.   "Decade" means  each 10 year period  beginning                                                                   
     April 1 in a year ending in zero.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  6,  7,  11, 12,  and  13  prohibit  transport,                                                                   
     importation,   purchase,   or  resale   of  alcohol   in                                                                   
     violation of the local option,  and change such offenses                                                                   
     from a class  C felony to a class A misdemeanor.   These                                                                   
     sections also include conforming  amendments for the new                                                                   
     provisions in sections 7 and 12 and 13.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8  extends the period  after a local  option has                                                                   
     been  adopted from 12  to 24  months before an  election                                                                   
     may be  held to remove the  option or change  the option                                                                   
     to  a less restrictive  alternative.   It also  provides                                                                   
     for  an  election to  remove  or  make the  option  less                                                                   
     restrictive, once in a 36  month period.  Currently that                                                                   
     period is 18months.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:30:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9 prohibits a person  from purchasing alcohol by                                                                   
     written order  on behalf  of another person  who resides                                                                   
     in a local  option community, and makes  the violation a                                                                   
     class A misdemeanor.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section  10 prohibits  a person  in a  dry local  option                                                                   
     area from  possessing ingredients or equipment  with the                                                                   
     intention  of making  home brew.   This violation  would                                                                   
     also be a class A misdemeanor.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  14  and  15 amend  forfeiture  provisions  for                                                                   
     violations  of  AS  04.11.499  to  include  the  alcohol                                                                   
     purchased  from   a  bootlegger  in  violation   of  the                                                                   
     community's local option.   Forfeiture of an airplane or                                                                   
     other vehicle is not allowed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  16  allows the  ABC  Board to  establish  pilot                                                                   
     alcohol  delivery sites  in Bethel  and Kotzebue  at the                                                                   
     request of  those communities.   Once opened,  the sites                                                                   
     would operate for a period of three years.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 17 - 22 include  instructions to the revisor of                                                                   
     statutes and effective dates.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule asked if  the state would  operate this                                                                   
program in Bethel  and Kotzebue.  Ms. Austerman  replied that                                                                   
the state will  handle it the same way it is  currently being                                                                   
handled in Nome.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:32:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNE CARPENETI,  ASSISTANT ATTORNEY  GENERAL, LEGAL  SERVICES                                                                   
SECTION-JUNEAU,  CRIMINAL DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT OF  LAW, said                                                                   
her  understanding  is  that   the  pilot  project  would  be                                                                   
operated by  the state and then  taken over by  the municipal                                                                   
government.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule thought  the  model of  the program  in                                                                   
Barrow was a good  one.  He spoke of a delivery  site serving                                                                   
a very useful purpose.  He mentioned  a problem with lag time                                                                   
before  the program  is implemented  because the  communities                                                                   
would  end  up  being  "dry"   by  default.    Ms.  Carpeneti                                                                   
explained  that first  the local municipalities  need  to ask                                                                   
the ABC Board  to establish delivery sites.   A delivery site                                                                   
would not  be imposed, but  requested.  Representative  Joule                                                                   
understood that it was optional.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:34:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CASEY  REYNOLDS,   ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT  PLANNER,   WASILLA,                                                                   
addressed Section  5, which was  at their request,  regarding                                                                   
relocation of  liquor licenses.   The population  inside city                                                                   
boundaries  is smaller  than the  area  serviced, and  liquor                                                                   
licenses  are  allocated based  on  population.   Because  of                                                                   
that,  it is  difficult to  attract  and develop  restaurants                                                                   
because liquor licenses can't  be obtained.  This legislation                                                                   
is a way to  remedy that problem.  It is  Wasilla's intent to                                                                   
have  the  relocation  of  an  existing  beverage  dispensary                                                                   
license  apply  only  to  restaurants,  not  bars  or  liquor                                                                   
stores.  It also provides for  using existing liquor licenses                                                                   
more effectively.   The ABC Board supports this  section.  It                                                                   
has been  restricted so that it  is allowed only  three times                                                                   
every ten years. Co-Chair Meyer  agreed with that limitation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:37:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule wondered  if  the fiscal  note for  the                                                                   
bill was  included  in the budget.   Co-Chair  Meyer said  he                                                                   
would address that later.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DOUGLAS GRIFFIN, DIRECTOR, ALCOHOLIC  BEVERAGE CONTROL BOARD,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT  OF  PUBLIC  SAFETY,  related that  no  money  was                                                                   
budgeted for  this item.   He thought  it could be  a pending                                                                   
budget issue.  He concurred with Mr. Reynolds comments.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TALIS COLBERG,  ATTORNEY GENERAL, DEPARTMENT OF  LAW, related                                                                   
that he  is also  co-chair of  the Rural Justice  Commission,                                                                   
which is  where SB 128  had its genesis.   He commented  that                                                                   
the bill  would be helpful  toward alleviating  problems with                                                                   
alcohol in "dry"  and "damp" villages.  It  was the unanimous                                                                   
recommendation  of the Commission.   He testified  in support                                                                   
of the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:41:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer MOVED to ADOPT Amendment #1:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 9                                                                                                             
     After "and"                                                                                                                
     Delete "shipments"                                                                                                         
     Insert "shipped"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker OBJECTED.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE  CUNNINGHAM, STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE MEYER,  explained                                                                   
that Amendment #1 should read, "Delete 'shipments made'".                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:42:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  MOVED to ADOPT a  Conceptual Amendment                                                                   
to Amendment 1, to have line 3  say, Delete "shipments made".                                                                   
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Cunningham  continued that  the amendment clarifies  that                                                                   
the  database will  contain  monthly information  of  alcohol                                                                   
that is  purchased and shipped to  a person who resides  in a                                                                   
municipality or  established village that has  restricted the                                                                   
sale of alcoholic beverages.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker WITHDREW his  objection.   There being                                                                   
NO OBJECTION, Amendment #1 was adopted, as amended.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:42:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer MOVED to ADOPT Amendment #2:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Insert new section:                                                                                                        
     AS 04.11.010 (a) is amended to read:                                                                                       
          (a) Except as provided in AS 04.11.020, a person                                                                      
               may  not  knowingly manufacture,  sell,  offer                                                                   
               for sale, possess  for sale or barter, traffic                                                                   
               in,  or barter  an  alcoholic beverage  unless                                                                   
               under  license  or  permit issued  under  this                                                                   
               title.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber remaining sections accordingly.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker OBJECTED.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Cunningham  explained  that the purpose  of Amendment  #2                                                                   
relates  to  an  amendment  that   was  added  in  the  House                                                                   
Judiciary  Committee  to  the   House  companion  bill.    It                                                                   
clarifies a statute and inserts a culpability provision.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  said  it  was  discussed  in  the  Judiciary                                                                   
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker WITHDREW  his  objection to  Amendment                                                                   
#2.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:44:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Cunningham  clarified  that   the  Conference  Committee                                                                   
accepted a report  that did include the Department  of Public                                                                   
Safety  statewide support  ABC Board  fiscal note for  $317.5                                                                   
thousand in general funds.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Foster wondered  if  the user  could pay  for                                                                   
this instead of the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:46:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LAUREN  RICE,  LEGISLATIVE  LIAISON,   DEPARTMENT  OF  PUBLIC                                                                   
SAFETY, reported  that it  has not  been clarified  who would                                                                   
pay for the distribution centers.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Griffin reported  that  the  ABC Board  could  establish                                                                   
surcharges, through  regulation, at  the delivery sites.   He                                                                   
referred to Barrow as an example of the way it could work.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer mentioned fiscal notes #2 and #3.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:48:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker voiced concern  about the  creation of                                                                   
the database, which  includes every person in a  village.  It                                                                   
is   a  legal   transaction,   and   a  state   database   is                                                                   
inappropriate  and violates  privacy  and individual  rights.                                                                   
He spoke strongly against the policy.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:51:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Nelson thought  those arguments applied to the                                                                   
methamphetamine   database.      She   related   a   personal                                                                   
experience.    She maintained  that  her  rights have  to  be                                                                   
waived for the  well-being of a community.  There  is a limit                                                                   
to  how   much  alcohol   can  be   imported  into   the  two                                                                   
communities.  She  agreed with the database in  order to help                                                                   
the community.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  suggested expunging the  database after                                                                   
two years.  Representative Nelson  thought DNA collection was                                                                   
much more  invasive and  those records  are expunged  after a                                                                   
period of time.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:54:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hawker  agreed   with  concerns  about   DNA                                                                   
collection, but  saw a difference between that  situation and                                                                   
the database  in this legislation  because there  is probable                                                                   
cause involving DNA  collection and the data  will be purged.                                                                   
He  maintained  that  the  database  for  alcohol  purchasing                                                                   
violates the  privacy of  the innocent  majority.   He wished                                                                   
there could be another way.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:56:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thomas  related  a personal  experience  with                                                                   
having to  register for the  purchase of allergy  medication.                                                                   
He concurred with Representative Hawker's thoughts.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thomas reported  that  his pending  amendment                                                                   
would allow  a destination  point in  Hoonah for cruise  ship                                                                   
customers  to buy  alcohol.   It  would not  be  open to  the                                                                   
public.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:58:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster MOVED to  REPORT HCS CSSB 128 (FIN) out                                                                   
of  Committee   with  individual   recommendations   and  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HCS CSSB 128 (FIN)  was REPORTED out of Committee  with a "do                                                                   
pass" recommendation  and with  fiscal note #2  by Department                                                                   
of  Public  Safety, and  with  zero  fiscal  note #3  by  the                                                                   
Department of Law.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:00:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
At-ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  recessed the  meeting  to  the call  of  the                                                                   
chair.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:10:11 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer brought the meeting back to order.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                

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